I wouldn’t say it’s because of my Catholic upbringing, at least not explicitly, because I don’t remember the kind of 1970s Catholicism that I was coming through in talking about abortion much. So I wonder in your earliest life and also in the trajectory - clearly there’s a story there - where do you trace the seeds of your concern for these issues that collect around the subject of abortion?ĭR. TIPPETT: You were raised Catholic and you have become a Baptist minister. They’ve been together in different settings, though I’m pleased to say that this is a first: the first time that they are together one on one in a discussion. So can we continue to allow them to tear at our civic life and our political process? Can powerful activists in this debate let in the complexity and the nuance and the good old-fashioned confusion that many of us feel? And if they can do so, what can they teach the rest of us? So here, today, we are going to attempt such an adventure - in which we put legal arguing to one side and speak together in human terms.Īnd we are going to experience a politically countercultural relationship that Frances Kissling and David Gushee have begun to form across the years. One of the premises behind this Civil Conversation series is that we are not all going to arrive at a universal shared set of convictions on this kind of question any time soon, if ever. And it is also a symbol of how we have impoverished our approach to intimate, civilizational questions. TIPPETT: No issue is more a symbol of culture war than abortion. I interviewed Frances Kissling and David Gushee before a live audience at the Humphrey School of Public Affairs in Minnesota. TIPPETT: This is On Being - from APM, American Public Media. TIPPETT: “Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, Pro-Dialogue” - an event of the Civil Conversations Project. I am not at all convinced that if that were to actually happen that they would like the world that they would see on the other side.” And I don’t think you can make the fetus invisible.”ĭAVID GUSHEE: “A concern I have about my own side is, what the main activists in the pro-life or anti-abortion community want is an overturn of Roe vs. Even though I don’t think fetuses have an absolute right to life, I think fetuses have value. Frances Kissling is a longtime reproductive rights activist.įRANCES KISSLING: “Abortion very late in pregnancy, abortion of disabled fetuses, these to me are very, very complicated questions. And we experience two people who might help heal our fractured civic spaces. ![]() We delve into what we usually don’t talk about when we talk about abortion. ![]() We never start our public discussions in that nuanced moral center. KRISTA TIPPETT, HOST: Most of us - most Americans - don’t identify with the absolute positions of always for, or always against, abortion.
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